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stoter1
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posted January 08, 2003 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoter1        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
STILL topical, so BUMP.

Since I never chimed in with my opinion, I'd recommend "Batman Archives, V1", "Doom Patrol Archives, V1", "Atom Archives, V1", "Hawkman Archives, V1", and "Spirit Archives, V1" for anyone wanting to start at the beginning of a series.

If you don't mind coming in on the middle, then "Green Lantern Archives, V3" and "V4", "Plastic Man Archives, V2", "V3", and "V4", and "Justice League Archives, V3" and "Justice League Archives, V4" are all great reads. I can't recommend the higher volumes of JLA yet, because I don't have them.

Of course, if there's a particular character you are interested in, that's the place to start. ALL the Archives are interesting, if not always entertaining. I have about half of them and don't regret a single one.


I dont think you can really go wrong with any of the archives, so its best to start with an archive that appelas to your taste. Start by deciding what genre you like. If for instnace, you like War books, then I'd start off with Sgt. Rock, which was beatifully produced. If you like team books, then I'd pick up a JLA voume. If Sci-fi is your thing, I'd try GL. I can honestly tell you that I have liked every archive I have read. Now, having stated that, I can also say, that while I love the Golden Age, these stories are not as well thought out or drawn as some of the Silver Age books. So if you are looking for a peice of history, stick to the golden age, but if you want a fun and entertaining read, pick up a silver age book.

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Live from Sagittarius A *
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posted January 08, 2003 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Live from Sagittarius A *        Reply w/Quote
I would start with Justice League Of America volume 1.

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India Ink
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posted January 09, 2003 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
I would start with Batman v.1 (as so many have said). Even if it weren't cheap, it's still a great intro to the golden age and to the archives. Doctor D'Orterre alone is worth getting the book.

For silver age DC, start at the beginning with Flash v. 1.

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frog kid
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posted January 09, 2003 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for frog kid        Reply w/Quote
Doom Patrol is the coolest I own. The Wonder Woman are good too (the third volume is really exiting).

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DWM
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posted January 09, 2003 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DWM   Click Here to Email DWM        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by India Ink:
I would start with Batman v.1 (as so many have said). Even if it weren't cheap, it's still a great intro to the golden age and to the archives.

That made me think of something. If that is indeed what this thread is looking for -- something less expensive and a great intro to the archives -- then the best bet isn't an archive at all.

Instead, one might track down a copy of Greatest Golden Age Stories Ever Told from a reseller or ebay. It's a really terrific anthology, and every story is a high point from the 40s. If someone has little background with golden age material, a strict chronological archive of one character might not be as satisfying. I recommend this book as an excellent test drive of the greater archive concept.

- David

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vze2
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posted January 09, 2003 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
That's a good point. I think that most people who have never read a Golden Age Story are in for a jolt. Because the story and art are often so crude by today's standards, I don't think the Golden Age is for everyone. The Greatest Stories volume allows people to get a feel for what these stories were like (of course these are the best stories, not the worst) and gives people a sample of a variety of characters.

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RenaudMan
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posted January 09, 2003 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RenaudMan        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by India Ink:
The Batman Archives, vol. 1. It's cheap, it's thick, and it contains some of the greatest comics ever written.

Hey Batman #1 is a good buy for the number of pages in that on,way bigger than the average DC archive

Golden Age GREEN LANTERN #1 and Golden age FLASH #1 is a must

Superman #1 is good too but the archive situation is still a little confusing to me as to which really are the first Superman stories...differences between SUPERMAN DC ARCHIVE volume 1 and SUPERMAN THE DAILIES #1 from Newspaper strips

ALL-STAR 1 is a must too

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FOG
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posted January 09, 2003 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FOG        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RenaudMan:
Golden Age GREEN LANTERN #1 and Golden age FLASH #1 is a must

He-he! Count me in with that sentiment!!

Gary "Ok DC, let's get that announcement out for GA Flash #2 soon - after all, I know you wouldn't let 2003 go by without putting it out " O.

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DWM
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posted January 09, 2003 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DWM   Click Here to Email DWM        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vze2:
That's a good point. I think that most people who have never read a Golden Age Story are in for a jolt.

It's also a pretty good reason to put this book into print. The silver age has some representation with Superman/Batman in the 60s and the Crisis on Multiple Earths books. But I can't think of a good, in-print book that exists for the golden age.

Aside from being a decent seller in its own right, it might serve as a hook for the Archive program (which is much bigger now than it was when the Greatest Stories volume was first published).

- David

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted January 23, 2003 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
bumping for GreatBear's edification.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted February 18, 2003 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Bumping to help answer the question "Are Archives really worth reading".

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Melkor
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posted February 18, 2003 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melkor   Click Here to Email Melkor        Reply w/Quote
Well, of the volumes I have, I have a real soft spot for Shazam--those stories were fun, the way comics of that era were supposed to be.

As for the "which ones are worth reading" thread I started, you know, I really tried to get into JLA. And whenever I came close to being able to overlook the formulaic writing whih was so devoid of characterization, Sekowsky's art tripped me up. (Why oh WHY couldn't Murphy Anderson do the interiors as well as the covers?) And whenever I was able to get past Sekowsky, Snapper Carr, THE MOST ANNOYING CHARACTER IN THE HISTORY OF COMICS, was able to ruin things for me with a single idiotic line of dialogue.

Having said that, I'm still tempted to actually purchase JLA because there was some fun goofy weirdness in those old issues. Starro, Earth 2, the Crime Syndicate...lots of fun, classic stuff.

As for All Star-- just can't do it. I tried, but I just couldn't handle the crudeness of writing as well as art. There's a real slapdash, thrown-together quality to that stuff that other DC golden age stuff doesn't have. I honestly don't know how Roy Thomas can to this day, still be in love with that series.

I am considering picking up Silver Age Flash though. It has all of the endearing goofiness of JLA with better art and no Snapper (although Iris was just slightly less of an ice queen than Lois Lane of that era. The DC staff in those days sure had an antagonistic view of women.) Gorila Grodd, Captain Cold (whom I've always loved for some damn reason), Reverse Flash, races with Superman...yeah, maybe I'll grab those next...maybe.

Mark

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James Friel
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posted February 18, 2003 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melkor:
...And whenever I was able to get past Sekowsky, Snapper Carr, THE MOST ANNOYING CHARACTER IN THE HISTORY OF COMICS...Mark

Hah!
Wait until Aquaman Archives volume 2 comes out, and you meet Quisp!

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christy2002
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posted February 18, 2003 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for christy2002   Click Here to Email christy2002        Reply w/Quote
Golden Age has to be Superman 1 (back-up Plastic Man 3)
Silver Age JLA 1 (back-up Enemy Ace 1)

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Melkor
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posted February 18, 2003 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melkor   Click Here to Email Melkor        Reply w/Quote
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Golden Age has to be Superman 1 (back-up Plastic Man 3) Silver Age JLA 1 (back-up Enemy Ace 1)

Bah! I'll take the Big Red Cheese over boring old Supes any day...

Mark

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James Friel
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posted February 18, 2003 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Supes wasn't boring at first. He had a vigor that few superhero features have ever matched.
He didn't hesitate to drop opposing dictators between lines of advancing troops, or to threaten sweatshop or mine owners with fates that would match those their employees suffered in accidents.
He was a civil liberties nightmare--but he was such a good guy that you've gotta cheer him on anyway.

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